Meet the Fockers : plotholes
Dustin Hoffman and Barbra Streisand in Meet the Fockers. Gaylord (Greg) Focker and Pamela Byrnes have been engaged for two years and they plan to wed in the fall. Dinner conversation with near strangers is their son's loss of virginity. Meet the Fockers () Goofs on IMDb: Mistakes, Errors in geography, Spoilers At the wedding, Bernie mentions having been Greg's father for 36 years. But one major plot line revolves around Greg being 19 when he lost his virginity, and . While visiting with the Fockers in Miami, Greg's parents said that he lost his virginity to Isabel, the housekeeper, who lived near them. But the.
Give me some love. What're you so shy about? Look at those pecs. You're harder than sheetrock. Now tell me the truth. You work out with weights, right? Well, I do various callisthenics. Some medicine-ball training, I play bimonthly football. I was just, uh, practicing my Capoeira. The Brazilian martial art of dance fighting. He knows what that is. You know, I've been doing it for weeks.
I'm really into it. It keeps me level. Because sometimes I get wound up so tight, I could just snap. Is there a baby on board? It was all in the message. Hey, Moses, go ahead, say hello to your future in-laws. No, no, he's harmless. Just shake him off.
He likes the shaking. The pink part didn't get on you. Moses, go, get in your basket. Who's this little guy? This is our grandson, Little Jack. How are you, Little Jack?
Hey, Dad, don't-- don't-- don't infantilize him. Just talk to him like a person. What are you talking about? I want to talk to him like he's a baby. When Roz's dad died, I said: Dad, you continue the tour. I'm gonna tell Mom we're here, okay? The upstairs bathroom is on el fritzo. So we're all gonna have to share this one for now. Since there's a water scarcity on the island, we kind of abide by the ''if it's yellow let it mellow, if it's brown flush it down'' policy.
Forgot my own rule. The RV has paid for itself already. Let's get your kundalini rising. And now it's time for the ladies to get into the reverse cowgirl position. Guys, you have to lie across the Liberator pad like so. Everyone look at how Ira's doing it. The man is loose, he's limber and he's ready for action. So, climb aboard, girls, and let me hear your bodies talk.
This position is terrific for anyone with osteoporosis, gout or goiter. Stay with me, kids. We have to wrap it up. Remember to take your Liberator pads. And don't forget to stretch before you try this at home.
We don't want anyone shattering a pelvis. Oh, I love you so much. I haven't seen my bubeleh in months. Honey, you feel thin. Mom, how do we explain all these people to the Byrneses? The Byrneses won't know they were here. We agreed to be discreet about you being a sex therapist this weekend until you got to know Jack and Dina better. I put all my toys away. And my office is all ready for them to sleep in.
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Your father thought they'd be more comfortable down here. You don't wanna know. Talk to me about something important, honey.
How are things with you and Pam? Because, you know, after two years, you have to work to keep things going. Does she still climax regularly? You can't talk that way this weekend, okay? Honey, I'm just saying I didn't raise you to be a so-so lover. Okay, what is he doing? Don't-- don't worry about them. Mom, Mom, you got to get these people out of here now. Wipe that little gloss off you. You hunt deer, Bernard? No, I hate that thing.
Roz's father gave it to us. He was into all that macho-wacho crap. He and I went duck-hunting together. Gay, you went duck-hunting with-- with Jack? We went, we did. We went on a little hunting trip. You shot a duck? I shot at a duck and You killed an innocent creature of the sky? I think I might've clipped it or And now, for the piece de resistance. Little somethin' I've been workin' on. Mom will be out in a sec. It's the Wall of Gaylord. The Wall of Gaylord?
Isn't it nice to finally display your accomplishments, Son? Honey, look at all your awards. Oh, I didn't know they made ninth place ribbons. Oh, Jack, they got them all the way up to th place.
Anybody want to get a drink by the lagoon? This one looks impressive. We've always tried to instill a sense of self in Gaylord without being too goal-oriented. It's not about winning or losing, it's about passion.
We just want him to love what he's doin'. You know what I mean, Jack? I think a competitive drive is the essential key that makes America the only remaining superpower in the world today. Don't forget the positions. Oh, Thank you, BJ. Ira, remember, easy on the thrusting. What-- What kind of work does your mother do with those patients? Those look like yoga mats. Is there yoga involved? It's sort of, um, a, um, a-- a-- a couples therapy.
It's kind of her own sort of-- Rozela! How are you, baby girl? Look at you, you're glowing! I-- I just can't believe it's taken us this long to meet, huh. And who's this little hairball? They brought their grandson Baby Jack along. I could eat him up. Bern, did you show them where they're sleeping? Because we don't have any air-conditioning, I made up a nice spot for you in Roz's office 'cause it gets the best breeze, and it's very near the communal commode.
Oh, well, you know, actually, we're gonna stay in our motor home. We sleep under the same roof. Actually, Mom's office is kind of cluttered. So, that-- that works all right. It's just really easier with Little Jack. They wanna sleep in the trailer, let them sleep in the trailer. Mom, it's not actually-- It's not a trailer.
It's kind of like-- It's like a-- like a hotel on wheels. This is practically a hotel. I was gonna do the turndown service-- I know, I know, but it's their choice. Wherever you feel most comfortable is fine. Bern, let it go. Yeah, let it go. Look at you, sulking. Now, look at this. I married a teenager. At least you have the libido of a teenager. I gave her a little matinee today-- Oh!
How about a double feature? Why don't we go show them the lagoon? Come see the lagoon. We'll get drunk, we'll take a piss in the lagoon. Roz, why don't you take them outside? I'll make a drink. Hey, Dad-- It's going good so far, right? Dad, you gotta take down that weird shrine thing. But I'm very proud of you, Gaylord. What's wrong with showing it? Most people aren't proud of sixth place ribbons.
Since when do you care about most people? I don't, but Jack is really into winning and competition and sports.
It's a whole other thing with him. You're a winner up here and in here. And that's all that matters. I don't know what that means, but thank you. So, to solve that problem, I created a life-like latex left breast moulded from his mother's actual left breast, so this way L. You're avoiding confusion by strapping a boob on a man? Well, yes, believe it or not, it is less confusing because of the texture Mom.
Uh, I guess it's very, uh, creative. A little birdie told me that one of our guests here is a Tom Collins man. Oh, for pity's sake. Isn't that nice, Jack? I want to make a toast. Now, I had a vasectomy in So, unfortunately, I never had the chance to procreate a daughter, but had I been able to, I really would've wanted a girl as sensitive and as intelligent and as beautiful as this young lady sitting right here before us.
And if I might add I thought you had a sister? You said you had a sister. You said you milked your sister's cat. Okay, I'm not done yet.
What I'm trying to say is, it's taken far too long to do this, you know, but we're finally all together. All right, that's enough. Like you have popcorn stuck in the throat. I want to say one more thing about my vasectomy. Honey, get yourself over here. You're so cute, they'll forgive you anything.
You are the sexiest woman alive I know. You're just trying to get me back into bed. This is a delicious Tom Collins. What I did, I used real lemon juice. It's from our trees here. He was squeezing all afternoon. And, Jack, I managed to make some lemon juice, too. Gay, you all right? Well, I think that Roz and Bernie seem like very nice people. A little off-colour, but very nice. But isn't it wonderful, Jack? After all this build-up, the kids are finally getting married.
I feel so happy. I think he just spoke. Little Jack, were you about to speak? Nope, just a little flatulence. What were you saying, honey? Guys, where are you going? We're checking out Jack's macho-wacho trailer. I want to see that boob. Can I talk to you for a sec? Hey, listen, don't let Moses go in there. They have a cat. Moses is perfectly trained-- Dad, he humps everything that moves. Honey, he's like his father.
I never cheated on you. They're not listening to me. They seem to be getting along really well, don't you think? I kind of feel bad that I worried so much. I'm two weeks late. I'm nauseous, my boobs hurt, and I can smell everything. You're gonna have a baby. Oh, we're gonna have a little baby, a baby. You realize your father is going to kill me?
No, no, no, no, no. He's not gonna find out because we're not going to tell him. He's a human lie detector. He lives to sniff out stuff like this. We'll get through this weekend, we'll get through tomorrow. And-- and-- and we'll tell them on Sunday before we go. We'll tell them all. I just hate the idea of keeping secrets from your dad. It's just one little secret.
Welcome to the chateau. No wonder they don't want to sleep in our shit box. Look at this place. I-- I don't think the dog is such a good idea. Moses is more of a lover than a fighter. He's always dreamt of me having a white wedding. You don't know how upset he's gonna be. No, I do know. Dad, I told you to keep him out of the RV. He said he wanted to see the RV. Get that goddamn dog out of here! Jinx, don't do it.
I'm gonna save you! The cat can flush? Get out of the way! What the hell are you doing? I got to get my dog! What about my toilet? So much for the protection of our rolling safe house. Oh, honey, he was trying to save his pet. I mean, what if it was Jinxy who got flushed into a toilet? Jinx has had extensive aquatic training. He would have known exactly what to do in the event of a submersion. Sorry about the trailer, Jack. There's no way we're not telling him this weekend.
That's what I was saying. So, what do you wanna do? I never thought this'd be an issue. I thought we'd be married before we got pregnant. Why don't we move the wedding up to next month? Then we'll tell your dad you got pregnant on the honeymoon. Oh, my God, yeah, that could work. Just follow my lead. Without further ado, my famous Focker Fondue. Come on, dig in. Get it while it's hot. That is so impressive, Bernie.
Did you do that yourself?
I love to cook. I can't even fry an egg. I'm amazed he finds the time to cook with such a high-powered legal career. I wouldn't exactly call-- Uh-oh! Why did you kick me?
I kick-- kicked you because you're being modest and you should tell people that you are a good lawyer, which he is, a- a-and he has fought some really big, important legal battles. Truth is, Jack, when Gay was born, I stopped practicing and became a stay-at-home dad. Oh, believe me, he won a trial or two in his day. Extremely good trial lawyer. A regular Clarence Darrow. So Roz was the primary breadwinner and you didn't have a job? Honey, come on, you could say he had the hardest job.
Oh, he's-- he's just kidding. Why don't we jump into the topic of the hour, hmm, the big Focker-Byrnes wedding. I know we've been talking about a-- a fall wedding Our former housekeeper, Isabel. You know, she has her own catering business now, isn't that great? And-- and I asked her to come and help Bernie in the kitchen this weekend. You didn't tell me she was here. Gay had a monster crush on her when he was a teenager.
I didn't have any monster crush. You didn't tell me about that. Because it's not true. Then I didn't catch you doing baziga to her passport photo when you were, what,?
I walk in the door Oh, there's my baby! I-- I haven't seen you in years. I had a boob job. This is, uh, Dina and Jack Byrnes. Nice to meet you, too. Not yet married, and already a little one? And he is a handsome little Focker.
He's not a Focker. And still you stayed to raise her child? No, he's Pam's nephew. He has no connection to Greg whatsoever. I love you, too. Those aren't for you. I think I'll take him inside. You're a very lucky woman, Pam. He's very special, this one. I think so, too. Oh, I could tell you some stories about him. Oh, she's just being silly. Nice to meet you all. Nice to meet you. Hey, do you guys want some more, uh, wine? Mas vino por la mama, si. Hey, you did good, Greg.
She's very pretty, this one, huh? Yeah, she's, uh, she's really great. Can you believe it's been years? So many wonderful memories from those days. Yes, lot of wonderful, kind of private memories. Um, no, I don't think I did. I don't, I think, I don't think it ever came up on my end. Not that I didn't want her to know. It just, never really Yeah, and not that, I-- I mean, not that it wasn't great.
It was really, you know, for me it was like And you were so helpful and-- and-- Don't you worry, baby. Of course this movie takes it to the extreme when accompanying a photo of Gaylord's circumcision, is a piece of his foreskin saved in the album. And so, where in the first movie most of the jokes came from Stiller and De Niro's interactions, in this movie the humor results from De Niro interacting with Streisand and Hoffman.
Although Stiller does get a few laughs, he's simply outclassed by the supporting actors. Meet the Fockers is an amusing romp, but it could easily have had 20 minutes trimmed from its 2 hour running time and it would have been much improved. And the ending is a little too happy and resolved with at least one character having way too big a change of heart.
Change of heart indeed! This film is so liberally biased it actually ruined what could have been a great movie. The Byrnes are a conservative family to an extreme degree. Jack doesn't like to be touched and fixates on schedules and order. However, the Fockers are just as extreme to opposite direction. Bernie starts a toast to his future in-laws with a story about his vasectomy. Dinner conversation with near strangers is their son's loss of virginity.
Patrick, of course, only sees flaws with the conservative Byrnes. Both of these couples could benefit by moving a bit closer to the center.
By the end of the movie, in typical Hollywood fashion, only the conservative is the one to change. The holier than though liberal characters are simply shown as being the all knowing, all loving couple. Bernie and Roz Focker, to the point that the level-headed Dinah is secretly jealous that they have such a successful sex life at their age.
Jack has one near the end of the first two films, yet continues to give Greg hell in the sequels. Jack's Fatal Flaw — he would rather believe Greg and his parents, and everybody else who so much as saw his girls is actively and maliciously trying to do something and put him through utter hell to force him to tell the truth than accept that his son-in-law is just a Butt-Monkey.
The "circle of trust" system is also supposed to allow for an open inter-family relationship, but is becomes apparent long before Pam and Dina call B. Little Jack repeating the word "asshole". Jack always says that Greg's job is "male nurse" rather than just "nurse". Even though Jack is one of the best examples of a Knight Templar Parent, his favorite song is the one that exemplifies childlike innocence: Pam's entire family, in fact, except Dina and Pam herself.
Even his cat is a Jerkass. The redneck cop in the second movie. The Lawful Stupid airline employees that Greg had to put up with in the first film. Jerk with a Heart of Gold: Jack - he clearly loves his daughter and wants only the best for her, but his extreme Papa Wolf personality makes it difficult for her to have any successful relationships.
Jerk with a Heart of Jerk: That said, he does push it with how much he tortures and refuses to reason with Greg and his family. The "Circle Of Trust" and control-freak tendencies make it clear he's pretty difficult to live with. All 3 movies revel in being this. In the third movie, Andi Garcia drunkenly forces herself onto Greg while at his house, despite knowing that he's married and he objects.
She never gets her comeuppance for it; she doesn't even get fired, despite acting unprofessional for the entire movie. Jack in the first film never faces any real consequence for bullying Greg.
The second film is better about this. You could say the two heart attacks in the third film are Jack's karma. He would at least have to learn to keep his composure and temper under control from that point onward, or risk a third, and likely fatal, heart attack.
Denny, Pam's pothead brother, never gets any comeuppance for framing Greg for smoking marijuana in the first film. In the second however, Dina mentions that he was sent to military school, so it seems that karma caught up with him off-screen. Jack, who dotes on Jinx like crazy.
The "kindhearted" part is extremely debatable to say the least, though. This describes Jack Byrnes to a T. The Koshers - er, Fockers, oh damn. The airline employees, particularly the one who makes Greg wait until his row gets called for boarding The redneck cop in the second film. He is following the standard list of what to do if an officer pulls someone over and the driver turns hostile—the problem being that this means he won't listen to what Jack, Greg or Bernie have to say when they try to explain themselves and pretty much brutalizes them when they turn "uncooperative" which is when they try to insist and raise their voices, otherwise remaining peaceful.
Let Her Grow Up, Dear: Pam's mom is definitely more supportive of her relationship with Gaylord than Jack ever will be. This scene was heavily used to promote the film.
Jack places his thumbs on Greg's wrists as an impromptu lie detector in their last major scene.